The Times podcast: Sweet, scary, sad, silly Bill Hader

Bill Hader became popular on “Saturday Night Live� with silly characters like Stefon, but his titular character on the HBO show “Barry� is more twisted and brilliant. It’s a great dark comedy about a hitman who wants to become an actor and how his worlds collide.

In this conversation with “The Envelope� host Mark Olsen, Bill brings both the fun and the darkness: He’s pleasant and light, and he laughs while talking about some of the most disturbing things on his show. Read the full transcript here.

Host: Mark Olsen

Guest: Bill Hader

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