âWestworldâsâ Ed Harris has had Hollywood success, angered Mickey Mantle and may eye a musical next
When Ed Harris hits the screen in âWestworld,â premiering Sunday on HBO, it wonât be the veteran actorâs first time working in the world of Michael Crichton. The New Jersey nativeâs first film role was in the sci-fi writer-directorâs 1978 film, âComa.â He played âPathology Resident #2.â âI was holding up a cow lung and talking about something,â recalls Harris with a laugh.
It may have been the last time that the Tony nominee and four-time Oscar nominee played second fiddle to anyone. Harris, 65, has gone on to a distinguished, and prolific, career in film (âPollock,â âThe Right Stuff,â âApollo 13,â âSweet Dreams,â âThe Truman Show,â âSnowpiercerâ) television (âEmpire Falls,â âGame Changeâ), as a director (âAppaloosaâ), and onstage, including a recent New York run of âBuried Childâ with wife, and frequent co-star, Amy Madigan.
We recently chatted with the man who has played everything from astronauts to farmers to senators to artists and beyond about âWestworldâ â in which he plays the mysterious âMan in Blackâ â and his full dance card, with more than seven projects in the pipeline.
Unlike some in his profession, Harris doesnât spend much time looking back wishing he had gotten a chance at one more take in any particular role. âI think about my work and what Iâve done that day, but am pretty good at accepting it and trusting it. I have a lot of confidence in what I do. And I donât think that itâs false, I think that itâs earned and I think that itâs justified.â
Your âWestworldâ character is just called âThe Man in Black,â but did you give him a name?
He does have a name but I donât want to reveal it.
Is this the first time youâre having to deal with secretive spoiler culture?
Pretty much.
Is that comfortable for you?
It makes it easier, doesnât it. (Laughs.) What can I say?
You have this great line in the series: âIn a sense, I was born here.â It gets at the idea that people come to âWestworldâ and find out who they really are. Is there something analogous to acting about that?
Yeah, itâs true. Itâs a whole process of discovering.
I think the people that use the park [Westworld] in a positive way are open to learning something about themselves. And I think thatâs what happened to my guy. Because when he initially came to the park he certainly wasnât âThe Man in Black.â In all his trips heâs identified this aspect of himself that was pretty violent and ruthless and was a part of his character that he didnât really recognize until he came to the park. Part of it was, rightfully so, sublimated.
We talked a bit about some of your many upcoming roles, one of which you described as ânot very niceâ in âKodachrome,â and a âcranky old saltâ in âIn Dubious Battle.â So is there a part of Ed Harris that is sublimated that comes out in his parts?
No, but thereâs a part of Ed Harris thatâs getting older and this is the kind of parts he gets. (Laughs.) Theyâre fun.
With a career as long as yours, you can usually look at the filmography and see âThatâs the one he did for the money,â which some actors do to finance their own projects or just, you know, eat. But the lionâs share of your roles have been interesting characters at least.
Yeah, the lionâs share. (Laughs heartily) Thereâs a few clunkers in there and thereâs a few that were definitely done for financial reasons but we donât need to articulate which ones. And there might be one or two that are clunkers and I did for the money. (Laughs.)
But it says something that you have sought out interesting work or that it has come to you.
Yeah, I feel really fortunate. I am still doing this and Iâve been doing it 35 years I guess or more. I still get a chance to do some interesting things.
Iâm really excited about this film I want to direct next year. I bought the rights to this book âThe Ploughmenâ by a Montana writer named Kim Zupan and Iâve written the screenplay and I really feel pretty strong about it. Itâs really hauntingly beautiful. Itâs got some suspense and great drama but itâs a real character thing. I want my wife to be in it and my daughter and Stacy Keach is one of the main guys and Iâm looking for a young 29- to 30-year-old actor who is great to play the focus of the story. I havenât directed a film since âAppaloosaâ and Iâve been looking for something because I love the directing thing.
What do you love about directing?
Youâre collaborating but ultimately you get to shape your vision of something. Youâre not just a hired hand coming in to do one role. Itâs your film, youâre responsible for every actor, every shot, every detail, the look of it, the words, the music, in terms of making decisions. Youâre occupied and focused. Itâs really thrilling.
And youâre not sitting in your trailer waiting for the next set-up.
No [expletive]. Because that [expletive] gets old, man. I love being in front of the camera and I love acting. I love being on stage. But that aspect of filmmaking, of waiting for hours to work for two minutes or whatever, itâs starting to drive me [expletive] bananas.
Itâs great that you and Amy arenât sick of working with each other.
No, I love it. We were together 24/7 when we were in New York working on the play. We really enjoy being with each other especially when weâre working together. I mean we were much more intimate during that time than we are at home in a way because at home youâre doing your thing, and in New York we were really just in each otherâs pocket in a really cool way.
So you strike me as a man who enjoys being busy.
I do, but I also like being home. Iâve got some property and thereâs always something to do. Right now Iâm digging up a brick driveway and Iâve got this giant pine tree and the roots just buckled the hell out of it so Iâm working on that. The roots are dense and knotty and thick and deep. Itâs taking me forever but I just dig it. (Laughs)
Itâs sweaty and youâre outside and youâre not thinking about anything.
Yeah, youâre just working, it just clears my head.
But I will point out that that still makes you busy.
Yeah, it does. But then Iâll stop and sit. Iâm not too bad at doing nothing. Iâm not the greatest. It kind of seems like that, and I guess I have been working a lot. Because when I got done with the play I went right back to âWestworldâ the next day. (Laughs).
Is there anybody left on the bucket list that youâd love to work with, a director or actor? Or a role youâd like to play?
Yeah, I remember after I saw âWhere the Wild Things Are,â I wrote (director) Spike Jonze a letter and said if you ever need me in anything, I donât care, let me know, Iâd love to work with you. I havenât heard back.
Yet.
Yet.
Are there things we havenât seen you do onscreen youâd like to take a shot at? Have we seen Ed Harris dance?
You know what? I actually have a decent singing voice and Iâve never been able to sing onscreen. Iâd love to do a musical.
Really? A specific one? A revival? Would you do one on Broadway?
I would if they asked me and if I thought I could do it. A good one. One of the things that made me know I should do this was playing King Arthur in âCamelotâ in Oklahoma City in 1973 I think it was. And having an experience one night where I did not remember doing the play at all. The audience was just on their feet and roaring and I suddenly realized âWhat the [expletive] happened?â And it was this pure, truly ecstatic thing and it lasted for about 10 minutes and it was like âWow!â And basically you spend the rest of your life trying to get that back.
Youâve done so many films, whatâs the part people recognize you most for?
My favorite was, I was a huge Mickey Mantle fan growing up and he was retired but I was at a hotel in New York and Mickey was over at the bar with some people and I had to go say hi to him. And I went over and said âExcuse me Mr. Mantle I just wanted to say hi. Iâm a huge, huge fan of yours, youâre just the greatest. My nameâs Ed Harris.â And he looked at me, and he goes, âI donât like you. You werenât nice to Patsy Clineâ in âSweet Dreams.â (Laughs.) And I said, âMickey I was playing a character.â I couldnât tell if he was serious or not but I think he was just joking.
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